Posts by Incognigo Montoya

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Incognigo Montoya

Lol... dude, it's not my fault you cant see reason and clearly the difference between a pharmacist refusing to sell a product he doesn't believe in, to anyone, and a tour bus company owner who says hateful discriminatory things towards a certain race of people AND harasses those who oppose him by posting private information about them in an obvious effort to try and hurt them.

If you refuse to see the difference, you're a lost cause.

I'm finished here. Have a great day!

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What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Incognigo Montoya

Kim Davis was voted in to be an agent of the government. She should've conformed to government policy when she took office. If she could not, she shouldve resigned, or been thrown in jail for refusal to comply. She ultimately was thrown in jail, and her clerks started issuing licenses without her name. Notably she didn't just refuse to issue gay couples marriage licenses, but all couples, because she disagreed with the federal courts order to issue marriage liscenses to same sex couples. She didn't discriminate, choosing instead to deny all couples marriage licenses in protest of the federal courts decision. Completely different scenario. But, in a similar scenario, If the pharmacist works for Walgreens, and its their policy to provide birth control and the pharmacist refuses, its walgreens right to fire him, or provide another pharmacist who will fill the script. If however, it's the pharmacists pharmacy, a private business, it's his right to sell or not sell what he chooses.

While true, You can't, nor should you, discriminate, and refuse to sell products you carry to someone based on their skin color or sexual orientation, you can, and you should be able to refuse to sell an item because you choose not to.

You can make up hypothetical situations, or cherry pick anomalous incidents that, while wrong, and need to be dealt with, aren't the norm. What about all the other county clerks who were issuing marriage liscenses, indiscriminately? There are 95 counties in Tenn. If you were really hot to get a license, there were 94 other places you could've gotten one... Rules and Regs, the incident you cited happened back in 2014. While she remained county clerk, as voted in by her constituents, she and the government found a compromise and worked around the issue. As of January 1 2019, she is no longer the county clerk, as a new cc was took office. Problem resolved and the world moves on. Except you, and those who want to rehash it in an effort to point out how unfair it is.

If you want a free society, you have to allow people the right to make choices. You can not shield them from the pecuniary consequences of those choices (nor should they be). If you dont like their business practices, vote with your wallet. Take your business elsewhere. But you shouldn't be able to force them to abide by your wishes by taking them to court and make them sell you what you want. You can not have it both ways. You want the right to sleep with who you want? The right to decide your sexual orientation? The right to believe what you will? Those same rights give others the right to disagree with you. If you dont want me forcing my beliefs on you, you cant force me to conform to your beliefs.

Live and let live.

Simple

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What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Incognigo Montoya

Lots of hypotheticals, rules and regs.

His right to choose, your right to go elsewhere. Simple

121

What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Incognigo Montoya

Free market, and your right to choose are wonderful things. Find another pharmacist who will fill your script and give him all your business. Tell your friends and give him all the business you can. If the other pharmacist goes out of business, that's his fault. But it's his right to choose what he sells and what he doesn't. The sign didn't say; anyone using birth control can not shop here. You can buy whatever you want from him, just not birth control.

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Mind Numbing Meetings

by minimus in

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friends

without a doubt, jw life is boring.

and those meetings!

5 congregation meetings, meetings for field service, elders meetings, judicial meetings, meetings to figure out who was qualified to clean the toilets....🤔.

Incognigo Montoya

I was gone by the time Tuesday night book study was done away with and the society recommended a family night, with dramas and building a model Ark, etc... when I saw that for the first time, coming back, I was kinda jealous. That would've been a whole lot more fun than sitting around for an hour, reading paragraphs, looking up scripture, and doing research with the family, knowing in another few hours you were gonna have to do it all over again. Grueling.

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Mind Numbing Meetings

by minimus in

jw
friends

without a doubt, jw life is boring.

and those meetings!

5 congregation meetings, meetings for field service, elders meetings, judicial meetings, meetings to figure out who was qualified to clean the toilets....🤔.

Incognigo Montoya

Shirley, yah, I hope I didn't come across as feeling sorry for myself. I knew kids, like you, who were drug out in fs every weekend, sorry, that must of sucked. and those congregations with later Sunday meeting times and odd weekday meeting schedules. I always felt sorry for the Spanish congregation. Seemed like they were the redheaded stepchild, always getting the crap meeting times. Late in the afternoon and even Saturdays.

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Mind Numbing Meetings

by minimus in

jw
friends

without a doubt, jw life is boring.

and those meetings!

5 congregation meetings, meetings for field service, elders meetings, judicial meetings, meetings to figure out who was qualified to clean the toilets....🤔.

Incognigo Montoya

Diogenesister, I couldnt agree more. It was a time waster. A brain washing technique. I quickly learned how to read the question first, skim the paragraph for the answer, underline, and move on. I always felt guilty for doing that, but looking back, it was necessary. As a kid I had other, more important things to do, like play!

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Mind Numbing Meetings

by minimus in

jw
friends

without a doubt, jw life is boring.

and those meetings!

5 congregation meetings, meetings for field service, elders meetings, judicial meetings, meetings to figure out who was qualified to clean the toilets....🤔.

Incognigo Montoya

As a kid, I remember being overwhelmed. I came from the era of 5 meetings a week,

1.Tuesday night book study, 7:00 pm-8:00 pm + 1/2 hour of social time on the back end, at least. My family also had the book study in our home, so we had to be ready by 6:30.

2.Thursday night school and service meeting, 7:30 pm-9:30 pm. Add 1/2 hour on the front end for socializing and business (my father was a MS, with "privileges") and a half hour on the back end, so technically it was a 3 hour meeting from 7-10. We also had a 20 minute drive to get to the hall, so I remember there being times, as a child, with an 8:00 pm bed time, not getting to bed til 11:00 pm.

3. Sunday public talk and watchtower study, 10:00 am-12;00 pm, except alternate years where we would switch with the other congregation in the hall and meet from 1:00pm-3:00 pm (I hated afternoon Sunday meetings. Ruined my whole day) add 1/2 hour to both ends for socializing and business, and you've got another 3 hour meeting. Plus, on those semi regular occasions where we got to go in Sunday, after meeting field service... add 3 more hours.

4. Saturday field service, at least 2 times a month. Meeting at 8:30 am, out til 12:00 pm.

5. Monday evening preparing for book study, if done with family, 1 hour.

6. Wednesday evening preparing for Thursday school and service meeting, 1 hour or so, unless I had a talk, then it was a few hours of prep and practice.

7. Saturday (again), prep for Sunday watchtower study, 1 hr.

Add to this school homework, and chores every night of the week. No wonder they didn't want me participating in extra curricular activities. It would've killed me and my parents. There was absolutely no time. Not to mention after school sports and other programs are fun! And would easily distract and win over any sane child, and doting parents...

Friday evening was the only night we had off and quite often still required to be in early so we could be up early for field service the following morning. We didn't ever get to sleep in much either, which sucks as a teenager.

Now, I realize my childhood could've been much worse. I could've been abused or born into poverty, starvation, slavery, etc. I could've been raised on a ranch where I had to be up at 5 am every day working hard 7 days a week. I had a good childhood and great parents who loved me. But we belonged to a religion that expected a tremendous amount of our time, and it seemed like no matter how much I did, it was never enough. There was always more.

I was DF'd as a young adult, only to return some 12 years later. I attended every meeting, preparing for each in advance. After reinstatement, I toed the line for a while, though I never went in service, nor commented at meetings (that "privileged" was withheld at my reinstatement) anyway, soon I became inactive, as life demanded more from me and i became busy with work and i had a life of friends, fun and enjoyment outside of the organization. Occasionally I would run into someone who would encourage me to come back. They would say, "just come to the Sunday meeting. Jehovah understands if that's all you can do." I would feel guilty and go back ...but that was never enough. Every time I would get love bombed, but it was never enough. Always I was expected to progress, or the love and encouragement would tun into admonishment and judgment. Those who were quick to invite me over for "wholesome association", made it clear that it was conditional on my progressing, as if i did not, the friendly invites stopped coming. And i knew it would never be enough. So I would end up becoming regular again, attending all the meetings, studying before hand, even commenting, to the delight of everyone. But soon, that wasnt enough. I was counciled, there was more I could be doing. I contemplated it. I started to psych myself up for more, but the thought 'it'll never be enough' kept resounding in my head. I harkened back to my childhood, remembering all the expectations and responsibilities I shouldered, and it was never enough. And then I looked at my life as an adult, husband and father, and knew, no matter how much i gave, how much my family gave, it would never be enough. It is a bottomless pit of expectation.

Never again. Not any more. I've had enough.